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Fry Talk / Re: Adventures in my new 55 gallon Multi colony
« Last post by Rupert on Yesterday at 07:57:19 PM »
OMG, the first time I saw this I had the same knee-jerk reaction as you.... :)


sand flying everywhere, little fish having a bar brawl, I was certain one was going to break a beer mug and start slashing.

Seems so out of character for what, at first glance, appear to be such cute, harmless little fish. :)

You might separate their territories a little more if you can. Maybe put a rock between them. But they will work it out, nonetheless. They will still posture and dart at each other, but unless there just isn't enough room for them to settle on a DMZ, they will be okay.

And multis are considered low aggression. :) Everything is relative, huh?

Unless one is actually chased away from and out of the shell bed, it's normal. But putting your "god-like" fish keeper skills to use and separating them (space wise or with a territory marker) might make them and you less stressed-out. :D

Despite their "colonial" spirit, there are only so many males you can keep in a given space. Bar brawls are hardcore. If they are non-stop, you'll need to make decisions about how you want to shape your colony moving forward. FWIW, keep your eyes open for aggression between females as well. They want their space also and will take no prisoners if another sexually mature female is too much up in their business.

Amazing little fish for sure.
Fry Talk / Re: Adventures in my new 55 gallon Multi colony
« Last post by Olive on Yesterday at 04:40:23 PM »
I was watching the multies today & saw something I hadn't seen before with any fish.  A couple times the 2 males from the 46gal were "locking jaws."  The first time I saw it I gently tapped on the glass & they separated.  The second time was just a few minutes later & I just watched them.  They separated on their own & just chased each other around some more.  There are times that they seem to tolerate each other & other times they don't.
General Shellie Discussion / Re: My new tank build
« Last post by Rupert on August 18, 2017, 01:35:50 PM »
My bad on the gh/kh I didn't convert. My dKH is 3 so my KH/GH is around 53 from the tap and I tested aged water out of my 120 planted and KH/GH is around the 35-40 mark.

Soft. From what you've said, you're not new to the hobby. So I'm assuming you've mostly walked through the pros and cons of maintaining water parameters that don't match your tap. I'm not sure that any substrate and/or some shells in the sump is going to put and keep your parameters where you want them. So...I say choose substrate you really like (and that works for the fish, of course) and call it a day. Then decide on which buffers/additives you are going to use to adjust your aquarium more toward rift lake parameters. Though ocellatus are natural for super fine sand, if you've already got bags of pool filter sand laying around I wouldn't reject it out of hand as inappropriate.   

I do plan to stay species only though I have contemplated adding Xenotilapia flavipinnis (they are sand swimmers buy spawn in rocky areas). one end would be at each end if it could be done it would be cool but my guess is it is a bad idea.

A rule of thumb for Tanganyikan mixed species tanks is to think niches/territories and choose fish accordingly. So one rock dweller, one substrate/shell, one open water. This way you don't have fish directly competing for the same niche, reduce territorial aggression, and hopefully keep all your fish happy and your nerves from fraying. :) As the size of the tank increases and your experience with the different species develops the easier it is to break from the rule of thumb successfully. I'm only two years in to my own learning adventure with Lake Tanganyika and have kept neither ocellatus nor xenos, but I'd lean toward that being a rough combo to work on the basis of territory requirements alone. Perhaps folks have done it with the kind of length you are working with, IDK.

I did know that occies have a different social structure and temperament. My understanding is they are more energetic and show more personality than multies but are more aggressive too. However you guys seem to be painting a different picture. It's was said I could only have 2-3 male and multiple female per male. Do new males have to be removed from a previous spawn or just as they near spawning age? By any chance what Lamprologus stappersi (meleagris) like? I originally found these guys labeled as occies on aquabid but then found they aren't occies at all?

Ocellatus gold is an attractive fish, no doubt. Older fry/juveniles are pushed out to make room for the new. I think stappersi/meleagris used to be called pearly ocellatus. Their behavior is more similar to ocellatus or brevis than multis or similis (more loner, less colony). By no means was I trying to suggest you couldn't have an awesome species tank of gold occies. And, depending on your ultimate vision, they might be exactly right for you. You had mentioned king of diy's similis tank and I just wanted to kind of toss out there that with ocellatus you won't get anywhere even close to the same density of fish in your tank. Not a bad thing, could be a great thing, might be incredibly exciting and interesting, or a recipe for chronic boredom. There are fish and aquariums out there for every kind of fishkeeping personality. :)

Lastly I'll definitely keep you guys updated. I'm still racking my brain on the sump I'm getting closer to finalizing the size then I'm going to well the top on cut the holes out for the euro and weld the bottom on. Close to a month left of tank build to do.

I've never worked with a sump. Or a tank nearly 9' long for that matter. Or built a tank from scratch. What I'm envisioning is a real stunner. Gonna be awesome when you're able to kick back after a long day, have a beverage, and really enjoy the pay off of your efforts. :) Setting up a new special tank and working with new fish just never seems to get old.
Talk About Anything / Re: Photobucket test
« Last post by deeda on August 18, 2017, 09:03:50 AM »
Jerry, I put it in the General Fish Section of SD's instead of Talk About Anything here.

I assume you mean the Planted Tank website and no that wasn't me but it is where I found out about the issue.  I did post on MFK and Cichlid-forum to alert members also.
Talk About Anything / Re: Photobucket test
« Last post by jerrytheplater on August 17, 2017, 02:54:21 PM »
Dee, you did put up a warning about the change in policy on this site. I was lazy and did not look for it to combine it. Did you put it up on Planted Tank?
Talk About Anything / Re: Photobucket test
« Last post by deeda on August 17, 2017, 11:27:12 AM »
Yep, it doesn't work.  I would either upload directly to the forum or use another image hosting site.

I should have posted my PB topic in this forum instead of the other one.
General Shellie Discussion / Re: My new tank build
« Last post by jerrytheplater on August 16, 2017, 01:56:51 PM »
Thanks Jarom. That's them. I did a little searching here at work and found the sites again.

Terry: Putting a carbonate source in your sump is an excellent plan. You have very soft water. You will need to raise both its Total Hardness (Calcium and Magnesium-and Tanganyika has almost a 3.5:1 Mg:Ca ratio. More Magnesium than Calcium), and the Carbonate Hardness KH or Alkalinity (Carbonates, Phosphates, Borates, even Silicates all contribute to Carbonate Hardness. Tanganyika does not have Phosphate to speak of. It does have Silicate and Carbonate. Very little if any Borate.) Tanganyika also has Sulphates, but they don't contribute to Carbonate Hardness.

Epsom Salts will raise your Magnesium Total Hardness. Don't just use Aragonite (Calcium Carbonate). Get Dolomite since it does contain Magnesium Carbonate along with Calcium Carbonate.

I am using Sunset Gold/Peace River and when it is stirred up, there is no cloudiness. If it contained mud, which I actually did once to supplement the plants, it will get cloudy. It was actually mineralized soil pellets I made up placed underneath Vallisneria. Not such a good idea.

Are you in the Catskill's? NYC water comes from there. A member of our plant club lives in Yonkers and she has Discus quality water out of the tap.
Talk About Anything / Photobucket test
« Last post by jerrytheplater on August 16, 2017, 01:51:31 PM »
Just checking if I can still use Photobucket.

Nope, can't even use a direct link to Photobucket. This should not have shown up as a photo here. Which it did not.
General Shellie Discussion / Re: ID this shellie
« Last post by tabendall on August 16, 2017, 11:48:46 AM »
That was my guess too.  He's a spunky little guy.  :)
General Shellie Discussion / Re: My new tank build
« Last post by JarmFace on August 16, 2017, 09:35:18 AM »
Occies do move the shells around and bury them. Don't get a really thick walled heavy shell. There is another shell that is very close in size and looks. It is a type of Apple snail that is established in the US. I can't remember the name of them, but I was PMing with JarmFace about them and maybe he remembers the genus and species. I didn't save any links to them in my computer. I found some down in Florida at the state park in the site of Everglades Aquatic Nurseries in Tampa. I also found them in the pond by my home here in NJ. They are very suitable for shell dwellers.

Jerry, you're thinking of either Japanese Mystery Snails (Cipangopaludina japonica), Chinese Mystery Snails (Bellamya chinensis), or some very closely related Trapdoor Snail.
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